APTLD On-line Meeting Logs
Friday Jan 24, 2003
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Chiang
Ian |
09:50:23 |
morning, Prefessor Qian. |
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Chiang
Ian |
09:51:42 |
Glad to see you here and
be with us |
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Chiang
Ian |
09:52:19 |
Morning, Dr. Lee
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Hualin
Qian |
09:53:06 |
Morning, Dr. Lee. |
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Lee
Young-Eum |
09:53:33 |
Morning |
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Lee
Young-Eum |
09:54:38 |
I have to leave today in
30 minutes. There is an important public forum that I have to chair, and I
have to leave then to get there in time. |
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Lee
Young-Eum |
09:55:21 |
Is Ramesh coming online
today? |
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Chiang
Ian |
09:55:30 |
Yes, |
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Chiang
Ian |
09:55:56 |
I will bring your message
to others if they ask |
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Lee
Young-Eum |
09:56:07 |
Thanks. ^^ |
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Chiang
Ian |
09:58:14 |
We have IDN issues listed on
the agenda, will you have any update to share with us. I can helf you to
bring to the discussion in case you leave earlier |
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wschen
wschen |
09:59:14 |
Hello, this is vincent
from TWNIC.... |
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wschen
wschen |
10:00:47 |
Hello, Prof. Qian, Dr. Lee,
how are you? |
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Hualin
Qian |
10:00:48 |
Hello, Vincent |
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wschen
wschen |
10:01:20 |
hello, prof. qian... |
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wschen
wschen |
10:01:47 |
today, we have several
topics to discuss.... |
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Chiang
Ian |
10:02:46 |
Here is the drafted agenda
for today's discussion: |
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Peter
Dengate Thrush |
10:02:59 |
Hello from Peter DT in New
Zealand |
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Chiang
Ian |
10:03:13 |
The suggested items for
discussion are listed below: 1. APTLD Board election 1.1 Board re-election or
Board appointment extension 1.2 Board election
procedure (on-line voting before Taipei AGM? or voting at Taipei AGM?) 1.3 APTLD Membership and
members' voting rights 2. APTLD Incorporation
Status 3. Update on APTLD
constitution 4. Suggestion on Taipei
AGM agendas 5. Addition of new members
to existing AdCom 6. IDN issues 7. Any other business 7.1 Update on the draft
final recommendations from the ccAG to the ERC on the shape and power of the
ccSO |
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Chiang
Ian |
10:03:21 |
Morning, Peter |
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Hualin
Qian |
10:03:34 |
Hello, Peter. |
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Chiang
Ian |
10:03:34 |
I guess you got my mail |
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wschen
wschen |
10:03:58 |
Hello, peter.... |
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Hualin
Qian |
10:04:16 |
Do we need also discuss
about the At Large nominating committee issue? |
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Hualin
Qian |
10:05:15 |
It will be good to have
more people from this rigion to be on the committee. |
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wschen
wschen |
10:06:16 |
there two Interim AL
committee member from AP, one from China and one from Japan, right? |
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Peter
Dengate Thrush |
10:06:43 |
(Yes, thanks Ian) I had
hope that Ramesh would be here to chair the meeting, and to report on the
first items of business. Hualin- yes, the Nominating Committee (and
separately, the At Large, and also the need for a meeting of cctlds in Rio or
not, and how we might deal with the report from the Assistance Group. |
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Chiang
Ian |
10:07:36 |
R esh told me that he will
be in this meeting |
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Hualin
Qian |
10:07:51 |
Sorry, it should be At
Large AC and ICANN NomCom issues. |
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Peter
Dengate Thrush |
10:09:00 |
Can we start with item 1 -
do we have to have board elections at the AGM in Taiwan? For all positions,
or did we agree to have some now and some later? I would prefer to have half
the board (only) up for election every year.... |
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wschen
wschen |
10:10:53 |
My colleague, Mr. Chiao
Ching also participate in this meeting and he will assist Ian for APTLD
matters in the future. |
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Chiao
Ching |
10:11:34 |
Hello everyone, pleasure
to join and to assist |
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Ohashi
Yumi |
10:12:01 |
Hi, Chiao Ching-san!
Welcome. |
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Peter
Dengate Thrush |
10:12:07 |
Welcome to Mr Chiao Ching.
Perhaps we can wait for R esh to answer the items about APTLD constitution in
item 1...? |
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Chiao
Ching |
10:12:25 |
Hi Yumi-san |
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Chiao
Ching |
10:12:30 |
Tks Peter |
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wschen
wschen |
10:13:26 |
Peter, yes. I remember we
discuss the board election mechanism you mentioned last time on Shanghai. |
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wschen
wschen |
10:13:46 |
prefer to have half the
board (only) up for election every year.... |
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Peter
Dengate Thrush |
10:15:10 |
So, we can expect to have
elections for half the board,. at least, before our AGM. I think we need
online voting before the meeting? |
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Ohashi
Yumi |
10:15:56 |
does this mean a kind of
staggered term? |
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wschen
wschen |
10:17:28 |
I don’t know this mechanism
includes in the new constitution or not? But according to old bylaws, no
those kind of mechanism. So, if we want to do that, it seems that we need to
modify and pass new constitution first. |
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Peter
Dengate Thrush |
10:18:49 |
(Yumi) Yes -two years.
(Vincent) yes -I suppose this is another item we need to hear from Ramesh on. |
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Ohashi
Yumi |
10:21:15 |
Thank you Peter. I agree
to review and modify the constitution. |
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Chiang
Ian |
10:21:15 |
Ramesh email me to say he has
some problems in login, he will try again to log in |
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Peter
Dengate Thrush |
10:21:55 |
While we are waiting,
shall we look at the agenda for Taipei - Ian, can you post the draft you
circulated previously, please? |
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Chiang
Ian |
10:22:58 |
APTLD Board Meeting and
AGM Agenda (draft) 24 February 2003 / Taipei,
Taiwan Venue: Meeting Room 401,
Taipei International Convention Center Chair: Ramesh Kumar
Nadarajah
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08:30-10:00 APTLD Board Meeting by Old
Chair 1. Approve APTLD
Secretariat election result 2. Approve Secretariat
Report 2.1 Annual Report in 2002 2.2 Financial Report in
2002 2.3 Action Plan 2003 2.4
Budget Plan 2003 3. Report on Incorporation
Status 4. Update on APTLD
Constitution 5. Board Procedure
Discussion 10:00-10:30 Coffee Break 10:30-12:30 APTLD AGM chaired by Old
Chair 1. APTLD Issues 1.1 APTLD Secretariat
election result 1.2 Secretariat Report 1.2.1 Annual Report in
2002 1.2.2 Financial Report in
2002 1.2.3 Action Plan 2003 1.2.4 Budget Plan 2003 1.2.5 Incorporation Status
Report 1.3 Report on
Incorporation Status 1.4 Update on APTLD
Constitution 1.5 Board Procedure
Discussion 2. New Board Election 2.1 Election of New Board 2.2 Announcement of Board
Election Result 12:30-14:00 Lunch 2. 2.3 Election of New
Chair and Vice Chairs 14:00-17:00 APTLD New Board Meeting by
New Chair 1. ICANN issues 1.1 New Bylaw including
Transition Articles 1.2 Update on ccNSO Assistant
Group 1.3 ICANN 2004 in Fiji 2. Pacific Outreach 3. IDN issues 4. APTLD Meeting Plan in
2003 & Call for Meeting Venue 5. Drafting of APTLD
Communiqué 19:30- Dinner |
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wschen
wschen |
10:23:30 |
Any comment for this
agenda? |
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Chiang
Ian |
10:23:45 |
you can also refer to the
APTLD website for a close look at it |
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wschen
wschen |
10:24:47 |
this agenda is based on
"the board election on the AGM meeting in Taipei".... |
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Hualin
Qian |
10:25:24 |
If we change half of the Board
every year, then we have to re-elect the Chairs every year. This is not |
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Hualin
Qian |
10:25:34 |
good I think. |
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wschen
wschen |
10:27:45 |
So, I think this time is
still re-elect all the board. But maybe three are one year term and four are two
year term if AGM pass this mechanism.... |
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wschen
wschen |
10:28:38 |
maybe we can also suggest
that chair term is two year. |
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Hualin
Qian |
10:29:00 |
Therefore, we should
discuss the constitution first. Change the by-laws. |
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wschen
wschen |
10:31:01 |
But maybe three are one
year term and four are two year term if AGM pass this mechanism.... after
first year, all are two year term in the second year election.... It means we
can elect three new board for two year term (to replace three are one year
term this year). |
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Hualin
Qian |
10:31:31 |
Any changes we made should
be passed on AGM meeting. Here we can suggest and prepare the changes to the
by-laws, then in Taipei, we will put these suggestions to the AGM meeting. |
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wschen
wschen |
10:31:35 |
It means we can elect
three new board for two year term (to replace three are one year term this
year) in the next year. |
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Peter
Dengate Thrush |
10:32:29 |
We need to see the constitution,
then. I guess we have to do what it currently says. Perhaps for this year we
will have to elect a whole board, then change the constitution, as we are
running out of time to do that before 24 Feb (*Agree with Hualin). |
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Chiang
Ian |
10:33:14 |
Dear all, i just sent the
draft APTLD Constitution to each of you for your information. |
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Lee
Young-Eum |
10:35:07 |
Didn't get it yet.
Document is not on the APTLD site either. |
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Hualin
Qian |
10:35:55 |
I agree to Peter and Vincent
that this time we re-elect all the Board. |
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Lee
Young-Eum |
10:36:02 |
Agreed. |
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wschen
wschen |
10:36:35 |
yes, but all two year term
or some one year, some two year? |
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Lee
Young-Eum |
10:36:58 |
Some one year, some two
years |
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Peter
Dengate Thrush |
10:38:43 |
Can we move to item 4-
Taiwan agenda? Or do we agree? |
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Lee
Young-Eum |
10:41:10 |
I guess everyone agrees. |
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Hualin
Qian |
10:41:14 |
How about "three one
year, four two year", then, in next year, re-elect the three for two year
term, then all |
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Hualin
Qian |
10:43:00 |
From next year on, every
year will re-elect half of the board, But the Chairs must serve at least two
years. |
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Lee
Young-Eum |
10:43:21 |
I also suggest that the two
year term positions and the one year term positions be decided by the number
of votes. |
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Peter
Dengate Thrush |
10:43:49 |
(Hualin/Yumi) Sounds OK to
me -can we confirm in Taipei for the future? |
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Hualin
Qian |
10:43:58 |
Good idea from Lee. |
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Lee
Young-Eum |
10:44:09 |
I must apologize that I
have to leave now to chair a very important public forum for KRNIC, as
Namecom Chair. See you all in Taipei. ^^ |
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Peter
Dengate Thrush |
10:44:38 |
See you! |
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Hualin
Qian |
10:44:38 |
See you then. |
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wschen
wschen |
10:44:42 |
Wait a moment, dr.
lee....how about IDN issues in this meeting.. |
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Lee
Young-Eum |
10:45:41 |
I don't think we have time
to discuss the "issues" now. But I guess we need to try to talk
about the IDN meeting schedule. |
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wschen
wschen |
10:46:08 |
Are you already invited
IDN workshop speakers now? |
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Hualin
Qian |
10:46:39 |
Can we discuss IDN issues
in Taipei? |
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Lee
Young-Eum |
10:47:15 |
Most of the speakers have been
agreed on during our ccTLD IDN netmeeting. I have also sent out invitations
to some who were not present at the meeting. I'm also in the process of
sending out some more invitations. |
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Lee
Young-Eum |
10:47:42 |
I think it would be a good
idea to discuss this over e-mail. |
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wschen
wschen |
10:47:54 |
Thanks... |
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Lee
Young-Eum |
10:48:12 |
Signing off now... |
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wschen
wschen |
10:48:15 |
See you.. |
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Peter
Dengate Thrush |
10:49:50 |
I have to go too, soon. I need
to cover the items of adcom, Nom.Com and a Names Council liaison. |
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wschen
wschen |
10:50:32 |
So, any comment on the
Taipei agenda? let us confirm it first... |
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wschen
wschen |
10:51:38 |
election and voting at Taipei
AGM (not on-line voting before Taipei AGM), right? |
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Ohashi
Yumi |
10:51:59 |
i imagined it is done
already before Taipei. |
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Ohashi
Yumi |
10:52:09 |
i mean voting |
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Peter
Dengate Thrush |
10:52:34 |
And! What about inviting GAC
reps to the Taiwan meeting -we are behind on our liaison efforts here |
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wschen
wschen |
10:53:13 |
Yumi, you mean we need
on-line voting before Taipei AGM? |
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Ohashi
Yumi |
10:53:31 |
In my opinion, yes -->
Vincent |
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wschen
wschen |
10:54:06 |
any other comment on
Yumi's opinion? |
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Ohashi
Yumi |
10:54:23 |
last time it was done by
on-line voting. i think that is efficient. |
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Ohashi
Yumi |
10:54:30 |
and |
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wschen
wschen |
10:54:59 |
any other comment on
Yumi's opinion? Peter? Prof. Qian? |
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Ohashi
Yumi |
10:55:03 |
we may have members who
cannot attend physically at Taipei mtg. we must hear their voice, too. |
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Peter
Dengate Thrush |
10:55:49 |
yes-I think online voting
for board before the meeting is best. |
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Ohashi
Yumi |
10:56:34 |
hope so. is it feasible
for the secretariat? |
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wschen
wschen |
10:56:59 |
and all for two years or
just three one year and four for two years? |
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Hualin
Qian |
10:57:26 |
I think on-line election is
also good. But may be it will be more simple to put the nominees on the web
site, and then election in the morning of the Taipei APTLD AGM meeting, then
in the Afternoon, announce the new Board and New Chairs. |
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Ohashi
Yumi |
10:57:26 |
3 for one year, 4 for two
years |
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wschen
wschen |
10:57:27 |
if the rules are clear,
secretariat is no problem to do that. |
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Peter
Dengate Thrush |
10:58:14 |
Vincent we do whatever the
constitution now says.... Now, can we move to the idea of an extra adcom person?
Hualin agreed -any one opposed? If not, who should it be? |
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Hualin
Qian |
10:59:23 |
If the election is
on-line, I hope the Sec. should inform all the members and make things very
clear and easy. |
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wschen
wschen |
10:59:45 |
So, on-line voting and
just one year term for all board.... |
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wschen
wschen |
11:00:36 |
Ok, Sec will make things
clear and easy for members vote. |
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Peter
Dengate Thrush |
11:02:26 |
Does anyone disagree with adding
an extra person to the adcom, from each region? |
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Ohashi
Yumi |
11:03:07 |
agree --> peter |
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wschen
wschen |
11:03:10 |
If all agree on-line
voting and do whatever the constitution now says, Sec will start to prepare
on-line voting matters. |
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Hualin
Qian |
11:03:11 |
As Yumi said, according to
the number of votes, the three persons with less votes, will be the one year
term position, other four are two years term. Is this OK? |
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wschen
wschen |
11:03:18 |